ITS NOT THAT HARD

"Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S." (calebms)
03/20/2016 at 22:17 • Filed to: guns, politics

Guns aren’t bad, but they make it easier for bad people to bad things and we have no need for a semi-auto AR15 for self defense!

Sorry, I’ve been arguing with a very very right leaning (actually, if the “right wing” has a cliff, I’m sure he’s fallen off) person all day and its frustrating me. Not worth arguing with those people.

Also, these videos are very worth watching because John Oliver is a bloody genius.

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DISCUSSION (32)

Svend > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:24

Someone once argued that he uses an AR15 for hunting.

What the hell was he hunting? Pretty sure that if it’s anything short of a T-rex that he’s just cheating.

There is an Australian comedian who while on tour in America did a bit on gun control. I nearly pi55ed myself laughing.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:24

and im here looking at getting one of these when they come out

http://www.kalashnikov-usa.com/firearms

jimz > Svend
03/20/2016 at 22:27

would you balk if I said I hunted with this?

Kinja'd!!!

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
03/20/2016 at 22:27

Hey I’ll be honest, guns are cool! But, if I may ask, what are you going to use it for?

DoYouEvenShift > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:28

It may be overkill for self defense unless the other guy also has an AR15. Honestly, a shotgun works better at home defense, maybe even a semi auto lol.

Regardless, I enjoy building them and firing them for fun. So theres that.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:30

People use them for more than just home defense lol. They make great hunting and target weapons.

Berang > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:32

Is it strange how people who never stop crying about their gun freedom, don’t usually seem to give a shit about anybody else’s rights?

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:40

target shooting. small rodents maybe but mostly to go out back and shoot cans and targets. i live pretty far in the country so no ones around

-this space for rent- > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:43

Didn’t we fight a war over Brits telling us we shouldn’t have guns?

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
03/20/2016 at 22:46

Small rodents, dang. I almost feel bad for the squeaky bastards.

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > DoYouEvenShift
03/20/2016 at 22:47

True, they are enjoyable to use, but I don’t see a reasonable need for them in today’s society. Are the deaths worth being able to shoot for fun every once and a while?

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:47

Damn squirrels always get into my moms birdfeeder tho so she would probably want me to hit a few of them. They can be pretty good if you cook them right as well

BobintheMtns > Svend
03/20/2016 at 22:50

One of my faves too:

Svend > jimz
03/20/2016 at 22:50

No, that seems suitable/appropriate.

Personally if you (a generic you and not specifically yourself) have a weapon you can see a soldier storming a house or country, then that’s excessive for hunting.

Svend > BobintheMtns
03/20/2016 at 22:52

I love it when he says there is only one excuse for having a gun and that is “fuckoff, I like guns”.

DoYouEvenShift > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 22:56

Cant control everyones actions. I do agree that guns are way too easy to get. But I dont think getting rid of them altogether is the answer either.

We also dont need 600+ hp cars, alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, food and drinks with excessive amounts of fat or sugar.

All those kill more people than guns.

Im not much for politics either, both sides make great points and terrible ones. Im kinda neutral there when it comes to that.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 23:08

Long guns are very rarely used in crimes. In spite of some high profile cases, they're used in some exceptionally small number of crimes. Various handguns (mostly stolen) are the weapons of choice...

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Svend
03/20/2016 at 23:11

An AR15 would be a very bad choice against a T-Rex. In fact, they’re banned from use in hunting in many places (at least in 5.56mm/.223) because they’re ineffective at killing animals.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > jimz
03/20/2016 at 23:18

*chuckles* People that don’t know guns are so gullible. Just because a gun has a wood stock doesn’t have any bearing on the functionality.

I’ve shot one of these. Really interesting mechanism...

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Svend
03/20/2016 at 23:24

Wild Hogs. They are an invasive species and are very difficult to kill, and they come in packs. They are a nuisance, and wildlife departments encourage killing them.

The Transporter > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/20/2016 at 23:34

Can you tell me where it talks about self defense in the 2nd amendment?

atfsgeoff > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/21/2016 at 00:15

AR-15 is more accurate, easier to aim, has more controllable recoil and better ergonomics than just about any other home defense gun. Frangible .223 ammo also penetrates less than 9mm parabellum or buckshot through drywall. It is, in fact, an ideal choice for home defense. I’d certainly much rather have an AR-15 with a 30 round mag than a 6 shot revolver if confronted with, say, half a dozen armed robbers breaking into my home. Even with a single armed home invader, I’d rather have the AR-15 over almost anything else.

Leaving politics out of it, ARs do serve as a legitimate defense weapon.

jimz > Svend
03/21/2016 at 07:44

see, that’s where you expose your ignorance. That rifle I pictured is a Ruger Mini-14. It is a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine, and it fires 5.56x45mm NATO.

The AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine, which fires 5.56x45mm NATO.

So why is the rifle I showed “suitable for hunting” in your mind, while the AR-15 is somehow “overkill?”

Svend > jimz
03/21/2016 at 08:04

I don’t know rifles or certainly what you get over there. You want to call it ignorance fine go for it knock your socks off.

As a cadet I learned to shoot on the 22 (what I’d call a ‘hunting’ rifle).

Kinja'd!!!

and later onto the L98 and then L85A2/SA80 (what I’d call a ‘not hunting’ rifle).

Kinja'd!!!

One is a single round shot for hunting the other is military and carries a different feeling.

But hey. What do I know. I’m ignorant walking about in the almost certain knowledge that the person walking nearby if they get pissed is only going to shout and get drunk, maybe punch someone. Not go home fester and then take it out on a school of shopping centre.

Take care and have a great day.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Svend
03/21/2016 at 09:14

This idea that an AR-15 is some kind of doombringer or ultra-powerful death beam is highly illusory. Anyone hunting (or prepared for defense against) anything as large as a bear will want a heavier caliber.

BorkBorkBjork > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
03/21/2016 at 09:19

“Assault Weapons” (put in quotation marks, because the term is meaningless) do allow rare and random mass shootings to occur. However, they are not the 400-lb gorilla in the room. The vast majority of gun crime occurs with cheap and plentiful pistols, most of them costing a few hundred dollars, and are easily concealable.

And I’m not particulary fond of people hoping to regulate American’s purchasing decisions based on what they “need”. I want an AR-15, it’s a wonderfully fun weapon to shoot, and I use extensively for hunting. If I don’t commit any crimes with it, why should I have it removed from my possesion?

Etchglow > jimz
03/21/2016 at 11:22

I’d say I hope they’ve improved since the late 90's early 2000's because the one I had struggled to hit 8 moa :-(

jimz > Etchglow
03/21/2016 at 11:55

Kinja'd!!!

about 10 years ago they retooled the production line. Mine’s no tack driver but it’s certainly way better than 8 MOA.

jimz > DoYouEvenShift
03/21/2016 at 11:58

I don’t subscribe to the “shotguns are better” mindset. Shotguns marketed for “home defense” are typically short-barreled (18-20".) They have brutal recoil*, and typical buck and slug loads will have a huge muzzle flash and blast. One shot and both you and the intruder will be temporarily deaf and blinded (if it’s dark.) Plus, buckshot will just punch right through the walls of a typical house, and at indoor distances the spread of pellets will only be about 4".

*believe me, when I sighted in my 870 slug gun for deer season, after 10 rounds of even 2-3/4" slugs my shoulder and neck were screaming for ibuprofen the next day.

MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig > Berang
03/21/2016 at 13:37

It’s unfortunate that the dichotomy in today’s society is so severe. I’m so far in the middle that it feels like I can’t talk to anyone about anything. Finding pro-gun, pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization, pro-finance reform people is very difficult. Either you’re a gun loving bible thumper or a gun hating bleeding heart.

There is always a middle ground.

MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig > The Transporter
03/21/2016 at 13:39

Not a once. The second amendment exists as an insurance policy for other freedoms listed in the Bill of Rights.

Berang > MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig
03/21/2016 at 15:27

I used to have this 70's comic strip about a guy who is picked on by his sober friends for drinking, and then made fun of by his druggie friends for only drinking. It ended with a punchline about how those in the middle have the hardest time. It must be an actual work of art because that theme transcends the subject matter of the strip itself.